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All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week. Jason, does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. How long gone? Back at it baby. It's a beautiful evening here in Milan. The sun's still up. The weather's been amazing. Traveling to Europe from Los Angeles is more fucked up than I remember. And I'm starting to think I maybe never have done it before. Or maybe I've only done it once. Shit ain't sweet, is it, brother? It's awful. Feels like I'm fucking flying to the Serengeti. That's awful. Time-wise. It's awful, bro. I hit Frankfurt, had a couple hours in Frankfurt. Then I got to, it was just a, it was a long day, but I arrived in Milan just in time to hit the Range Rover dinner. So everything is right, right with the world. But luckily, you know, I was, this reminds me, because I saw that friend of the show, Law Roach, is sort of in a, he's in a little bit of a dispute with Delta because he's a 360, he's part of the Illuminati, he's a 360 member. And also, I'm so glad that of all the guests, For the Law Roach discourse to happen. He's a million miler. He's 360. Despite being so dusty. He claims that he got on a Delta 1. He paid for a Delta 1 seat that wasn't fully reclined. Is what I understand. Not a lay flat.

I think that could be, and no shade to Law Roach, but I think that could be user error on his part. You're not guaranteed lay flat on a domestic flight, honey. Well, Delta One is always a lay flat, and I think he thought first class was Delta. You know what I'm saying? I think he might have gotten confused because he's so used to lying flat, if you know what I'm saying. Yeah, he didn't pay for a Delta One seat. He paid for the best seat. Yeah, he paid for the best seat. So, Law, I hope you get it figured out. Delta, obviously, we side with you. You know that. You know that. I don't care how good Zendaya looks. I'm going to side with Delta every time. I don't care. I don't care one bit. Yeah. So what do you, I mean, obviously this is sort of the petty type of thing that one should be too embarrassed to put out into public. Like this is something that you would contact the Diamond Platinum. 360 million miler phone number where you know you you call like they answer the phone before it even starts ringing and then you can you know deal with it versus you know on the public square where everyone can reply saying uh you know my thoughts and prayers to you and your family during this difficult time mr wrote you know just flaming him up what what's it but also Let's say you and Kristen Bell and Dax are stranded in Haiti. They really shouldn't have done that vacation during the same week that the government was going to be overthrown by Trump. And they're trying to get on the last chopper out. At that point, then maybe we're doing at Delta. but are we hitting the dms first you know like what point does chris black get i would never public okay doing this doing the doing the public airline thing they can have your parents held at gunpoint bro i don't yeah take them i got a reputation sweetie i ain't going no i got i got followers bro i can't i'm sorry mom i'm sorry dad i love y'all i really do we get it chris you have the whole thing i don't understand i don't understand how a guy that is this this rich like what what do you think is going to happen like you're already as high as you can get on the delta run

There's nothing they can do to make it up to you. That's my issue. They're like, oh, well, you're two million now. You got a new pin. There's no... benefit for him doing this except like to get it off his chest because i've i've been here i know what he's feeling we've all been here in this moment of course of of you know where you hit the wall like you have no recourse and this is when you do things like this yeah but law sorry take it back to the drawing board big dog this ain't this is go back to being a guest star on the on on commercial law you're either in or you're out oh i you know before we right before we got on looks like breaking news it looks like Zoe Kravitz has got a fucking damn boulder on that finger, Jason. She's walking around London holding hands with none other than Harold Stylish. Do you think the big Harry locked it down? Do you think he said, it's time? I don't think so. You don't think so? I don't think so. What do you think this is then? Is she playing with the paparazzi like that? Like I was saying in our conversation, in our digital convo earlier, the image that was shared. is too low resolution to tell what's going on. There's many other images, to be fair. There are other images. I'm trying to use my Gemini AI to enhance, but it's not working for me. You put on your loop like a jeweler looking at your screen. I've got my Ray-Ban meta loop on. Hold on. That don't look VVS to me. I don't know. You got all the paperwork for this one, right? Your shit look a little foggy. You know what I'm saying? Harry, you keep the receipt on this one or what's the... No, I think that... So all this to say, if this ring is as large as it appears to be, it looks like it could be maybe the world's largest diamond ever given to somebody to a beautiful, stunning actress. who weighs 87 pounds on a fat day. Well, you said- She should be dragging that arm on the floor. All of a sudden, those Pilates biceps work. All of a sudden, she can hold up a little more than a cigarette. This is what this training has been all about. I think they are engaged, and I do think that that size of rock does- I know you said that might be out of character, and I said that is not out of character for any woman. There is no woman. Are there liars?

that would say that they don't want it that's just like saying you know there's no such thing as a dick that's too big dick you hit the wall at some point with the diamond where it's like no it's very different embarrassing to be wearing a diamond ring that big not when you're famous bro it's different i'm telling you it's different and i'm i'm happy for the company and also price wise aren't you afraid you're like if if that ring is as big as it looks to be then it's what 13 million dollars or something like you just walked no no it's not that big that ring it's big but it's not as big you're you're exaggerating and i understand that's what we do here on how long gone i'm only basing it off of the photo where the ring where the the rock is as large as it's as wide as her finger you know what i mean well yeah but i mean like you said her fingers are the size of a child so that's not really saying much i'm just i'm happy for the couple i'm happy for the jeweler who's on the receiving end of harry's black card i think everybody wins here um congratulations to them and I can't wait to see which songs Dev Hines does on the cello at the ceremony. That's going to be beautiful. What's Sade's song? I hope he does the Smiths. I love when he does the Smiths. I love when he does the Smiths. I also, I wanted to see, I wanted to talk to you about, Big Clav has a buddy who's also in the looks maxing, you know, Canon. And he's, there's this video of him crying. And he says, I take the tears and put it in my hair. It's like sea salt spray. It makes my hair softer. So he's saying that he cries and then puts the tears in his hair to make it softer. And I think that might be more insane than hitting yourself in the jaw with a hammer. honestly deep deep i think this is even there i mean than that there's no way that that can be a real thing does it just seem like a fun little gag that someone's doing for the uh the geese clip farmers no because these guys aren't funny they don't know what a gag is that's the problem you know what i mean like they don't know it's not a gag but it's more of just like what if you they just like come up with stuff just any old random stuff but that that would mean that he would he would have to a be able to make himself cry

Which I guess if you're that sort of psychopathic, you might actually be able to do. You could. But the amount of product generated for the amount of beautiful hair he has. Beautiful hair. I agree. It seems like he's going to have to harvest his tears for... You know, a number of hours per day just to get enough product. I'm sure he supplements it with Bumble and Bumble. But for now, when he's in a pinch, you know, he's in an interview and he's talking about his parents or whatever. He's like, I'm going to get emotional. Well, I'm cutting it with the salt and stone leave-in scalp elixir. It's fine, actually. No, I thought that was a very... I do think that you're right. The payoff is small, but it's all natural. You know, it's like the way they take blood from your face and inject it back. in your face you know what i mean for a facial and and his tears are they're so powerful that you only need oh you know it's like saffron or truffle oil just a drop is all we need normally people would cut that actually with regular water but because it's coming straight from the ducks you know he's got to keep it he's got that raw that good that raw yeah i was just talking um we had dinner with carolyn's parents yesterday and they said the uh their granddaughter carolyn's niece Like kids nowadays, they're using coconut oil for like the diaper rash and the whole body. And now the whole family is rubbing coconut oil in the face. Even her dad's doing it. And he's like, yeah, like, you know, a little sunspot here is kind of fading away. Bro, we got to stop. I mean, I'm doing beef tallow. They're doing coconut oil. What's the next fat on the face that's going to be trending? Goose? I'm not well versed enough in fat, honestly. Like fat. I know there's a lot of different types out there, but I can't prescribe that. Is olive oil and butter, those are the only fats you keep in your home, Chris? Those are what I bathe in. What about ghee? Do you guys enter the ghee space? I've never entered the ghee space. In or out of the bedroom? I've never entered the ghee space, but it is a classic vegan thing. It feels like it should have come across my... Speaking of food, there's two things I wanted to bring to your attention before we talked to our guest. There's a Vox story about why millennials are...

feral for chicken caesar wraps which i think is something that i haven't had a chance to dig into yet but i want some fucking answers and also i sent you guys this earlier but did you see the translucent wings when do you think american deli when do you think american deli is going to offer the translucent it's a good question i mean it harkens back to the days of crystal pepsi obviously a little bit easier to make that than a full chicken wing Crystal clear. It's a fun experiment. You know, if I was like still 10 years old, that's the type of the field of science that I would be sort of exploring. Do you think that the translucent wings are promo for Iceman? That's my, because it does look like ice. There's a through line, yeah. I think there's something there. I think Drake, you know, OVO team should contact this, you know, hit up MIT or MIG. I think he was a Chinese scientist. and be like, you know, how much for the 12-piece, Crotty? You know, whatever it is. You know, I'm saying let's block of ice downtown. Can you bring me a 12-piece just flats? I just want to try it while I'm out here. All right, we got a guest today. She's already here, too. She's ready. Hold on. We're going to give you an intro. Retro Amandi is joining us, the host of The Cutting Room Floor, fellow podcaster, and just all-around shit-talker in the how-long-gone spirit. We're finally going to give her a platform where she's able to speak her mind and use honesty. Now she can speak freely because she's been really holding back for the last couple years on her, because she's on Patreon, so it's different, you know what I mean? Yeah, and she hasn't spoken to a white straight man in years, if not months, so this is going to be a refreshing for her. The only reason she talked to us is because we gave her... a ride she wouldn't even have talked to us unless we gave her a ride driving miss retro now here we are two months later all right let's uh let's give her a call let's give her a call she said what the seven series oh it's not the m oh okay well i guess i'll still take a lift beggars can't be choosers you know how it is this episode of how long gone is brought to you by a new podcast from the guardian stateside with kai and carter this is covering a lot of our bases jason it's a it's trying to slow down

The news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. A lot of questions, but how often? Because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Three times a week. And I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess. The Guardian is not some billionaire owned. They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? Especially when it's not from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. Oh, this is huge for me personally. This episode of How I'm Gone is brought to you by TaskRabbit. Oh, baby, let me tell you something. This is not a joke. I use TaskRabbit a lot because I can't do anything. You need some art hung? TaskRabbit. You need something put together? A cabinet? Got to reach that cheese grater on the top shelf? TaskRabbit. Anything you need, TaskRabbit can take care of it for you. How it works, TaskRabbit connects you with skilled taskers in your area. They can help you move. They can assemble furniture, repairs, yard work, mounting, and more. You can search for a tasker based on cost, skill set, availability, and past client reviews so you know exactly who's showing up and can have confidence that they know what they're doing because taskers have assembled over 3.4 million pieces of furniture, completed 700,000 home repairs. handled 1.5 million moves, and the numbers are just going up, Jason. Yeah, throw a little money at the problem. It's not so expensive. And that job that you really don't want to do is something that another person out in the world is very good at doing and would gladly do it in exchange for a little bit of money. So when life happens, your to-do list grows. Get ahead of it now and get $15 off your first task at TaskRabbit.com or grab the TaskRabbit app using promo code

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That's what I was thinking. Well, after you put me, after that response, what am I supposed to do? That's a flat out passive aggressive. Yeah, and we can flip this. We'll flip this pickleball right back to you. Two of us, how many times have you asked us to be on your little podcast? Uh-huh. if you guys would make sense for my podcast it's a different experience right here's the thing the reason why we have to clear this up is because i get such a bad rap for people thinking that i'm nastier than i am when i'm really a delight i'm an angel sweetie pie like ball of joy so like i have to correct that because people really think that i'm a lot more, like, aggressive than I genuinely am. You need to talk to your clip farmers about that. That ain't your fault. That's the farmers. But also, being, like, being the, you know, kind of a mean person who's talking shit and getting into mess and drama, that's how we get those Patreon dollars. Being a sweetie angel pie who agrees with everybody, that's a good way to make $1,700 a month, right? Am I getting dragged into drama? Like, please, tell me what you're thinking. No, you're not. I mean, no, I don't think you are. Your words, you're saying. I get a bad rap for being this mean person or whatever. I'm saying that's how we get paid in this game. So do you feel that your listeners and the world at large has misjudged your character? Would you say that? Or would you say that maybe they only see one side of you? My listeners know because they know me, but I feel like it's more of an industry thing. I think people find me deeply intimidating. Not me. I'll walk right up to your ass and tell you what time it is. Yeah, straight up. that's true and that was very cool and like i like that when people i think it's i i think that's also part of what it is like i am a straight shooter and i can do it on the fly like when people do just come up and say what's up i respond really well to that because it's like i got no guard let's chat but there are a lot of people who are quite guarded and they're very reserved and they're calculating or they're strategizing and it's like most of anything and everything i've done has just been

boom right there because it's not like um i'm not in my head that much so i think that in and of itself can be off Not even off-putting, but like can have people on guard in a way. It's a social dynamic that I notice a lot with me and others in the business more so than like my fans. Sure, sure. Oh, damn fans. All right, shit. I was going to say listeners. Followers, listeners. In the intro, we were discussing a piece of news in the fashion world that we were hoping you could chime in on. Law Roach did a tweet to Delta Airlines. Are you familiar with this? Not the tweet. No, tell me. Fill me in. Okay, so he tweeted yesterday at Delta, the airline. Dear Delta, I'm Delta 360 and a million miler. This morning I paid for a Delta 1 seat from NYC to LA. And when I got on the plane, it was not a lay flat seat. I was very disappointed. And then the tweet kind of went viral. And people are having fun with that. Is this a situation you've been in before? No, but I support him. I support it for a number of reasons. I stand with Law. I'm saying to Jason, just on my knowledge of the Delta product offering, that I think Law might be a little confused about what he paid for and maybe the ins and outs of it all. He didn't read the terms and conditions of the seat purchase. I didn't want to put that on his jacket. I don't want to put that on his jacket. But I have to imagine that he's like... traveling all the time so i feel like he's very well versed in what he's doing i have to assume people that are jet setting like that they're not getting it mistaken i don't jet set like that that's a good point that's a good angle i don't think he's i don't think he's doing the booking though is what i'm trying to say so i think you know what i'm saying i think he's doing the traveling i don't think he paid for it but he didn't book it yeah that's two different things because i know we don't have a team you you're staffed up so i know how it must be different you know what i mean when you because you don't i mean you don't book your own shit i don't book i don't book it's actually atrophied the skill like

Okay, so when you get on the Delta flight, you don't bother tweeting publicly to Delta. You just FaceTime your assistant and say, fix this. Yeah, I would text my assistant and be like, fix this. But Chris is cracking up. Are you the type of person that will publicly tweet a brand that has wronged you? Not anymore because the block is too hot. My voice is too potent now that if I were to do something like that. Damn, you said my gas is too good. No, seriously. So your voice is much more potent than law roaches? Not necessarily more than laws, but the question wasn't about law. The question was would I tweet at a brand? Got him, got him. It was more of a, if this, then that, you know, he, he is not above it, but you're above that. So, you know, I was just trying to see how the, which pegs are going in which hole. I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't do that either. Listen, listen, back in the day, back in my like Twitter thumbs days, like, yeah, for sure. But I, I can't. talk as much off the cuff the way I used to because it means shit to people in this way. That's different. I don't even say that to be arrogant. Sometimes I'll say things that if another person said it in the exact same way on the exact same day at the exact same time, it wouldn't be a big deal. I'll say it and I'll be like, what? Would I tweet at a brand today? Probably not. No, you can't do that. I agree. You can't do that. I don't think anyone... But you will talk about a brand on the microphone. yeah that's different though that it's it is oddly i mean even now that they that all the podcasts are like transcripted and shit it still feels different it feels different but i feel like it's not going to feel different for long i feel like we've been able to sort of bask in the anonymity of hundreds of hours of audio and it's you know you can't just pull up a tweet and repost it and say i think i just think it's funny blah blah I think in the very near future, people are going to be able to just pinpoint that exact point in a podcast where you said something racist or, you know, cancelable, and it'll have that same power. I think being canceled is so corny.

I take it from someone who's been to the rodeo a few times. I just feel like, is everybody done? Are we done yet? Are we tired? Are we done or are we finished? That's what I keep saying. Are we done? This sounds like something an Alexander Wang sympathizer would say. You see what I'm saying? Do you see what I mean, right? I want you to know, hey, look, you're talking to a survivor when you talk to Jason. So him making that joke is more powerful than you realize. Oh, yeah, you told me about this. Listen, I never said the man was innocent. I don't know which brilliant, brilliant people heard that clip and thought, oh, she must condone. Sexual violence. Yeah, that's what that means. They saw that you, no, they saw that you donated $100,000 to his new museum. Exactly. They tracked it back through tax records, so you got busted. You know, it's like that type of, they call it like bean soup or a slop. It's like that type of like deducted reasoning that makes like, it doesn't make any sense. It just, to me, it just feels so lazy and people call it critical thinking, whatever. It's just like, and I can't even entertain it. Like when stuff like that pops off, I'm like, have your field day. This is going to be dead in 24 hours, like short. If you want to misunderstand it just because the alternative of what you would have to assume that I believe is so wild that I'm like, that's easier for you to understand than to even take 26 more seconds to look through the nuance. You just want to go balls to the wall and the craziest conclusion. I mean, I think that's the. I think that's the gift and the curse of the clip culture, honestly. It's like when it works, it works, and when it doesn't work, it doesn't work. And also the paid tweet culture. Which is why I let it go off. You cut the clips, you put them out, they're going to do what they do with them. And listen, if there's anything that I know how to do is to make a viral clip, I say that humbly, and you're right. It's so easy. When does the humble part start? You ain't said nothing humble in your life. Don't even do that. I try. I am humble, but it's hard when it's back to the facts. We admire your courage.

I, yeah, I can't say that, but what is the, but what, all right, so when we're talking about clipping. What is your process? Because I assume you don't do it physically. You sit with an editor or you send timestamps. Is that how you do it? It's like all the things. It's all the things. Now, this is an ancient garden secret. So I don't know how deep into clips we can get. Because if I told everybody how I cut clips and everybody would be cutting clips like me, then that would be a different conversation, right? My guys in India are doing a pretty good job. I'd love to hear what you have to say. No, I just think there's an art to clipping. I really, really do it. I'm actually very passionate about it. I love it. You know, we see clips as like a top of funnel. marketing assets so like especially if i'm driving people back to patreon so like that's an opportunity for someone who's maybe not a subscriber not yet bought in that's an opportunity for them to see like what are you talking about what are you about so i take it really seriously my team knows that and it's like when i say seriously i just mean diligent And so we're thoughtful about what's in it and what it says and what images we want to use to support it, all that stuff. But I feel like you're in there with the headphones on, like you're fucking Jay-Z and you say something, you're like, oh, we got one. We got one. You're yelling at the producer. Not necessarily. No, because the team's good. We got one. They know. They know now. They know. They're good. And sometimes there'll be something where I'm like, oh, I can't believe you guys didn't clip that part. That was good. But for the most part, they kind of know what to clip. And they were there. Yeah, sure. I mean, at this point. And it's good because even though you're a clip master, I consider myself to be an editing master of how long gone, but second sets of ears are able to pick things up that are amazing moments or funny bits that we just skip over sometimes. Yeah, exactly. So how do you guys do your pod? Do you guys prep? Were you guys like, okay, what are we going to ask Rachel or is it just off the top of the dome? Hell no. We don't prep. I mean, I think there's a level of prep.

that that we do by being plugged in all you know what i mean like i know what's going on so therefore i'm prepped because we don't do interviews we just do combos you know if you don't look you don't have to get ready if you stay ready that's what they say and by stay ready i mean be on twitter seven hours a day i haven't turned the i haven't hit the record button off in years it's just always on in the booth we're always recording yeah i really do believe that there's like a level of preparation conversationally that is like about being out in the world and just knowing what's going on i don't i think if you're trying to do like a quote-unquote interview that's a different thing yeah yeah i get that i like your guys i like your guys the energy because it's it's fun whenever i see you guys it's a good time vibes are high i mean that's the that's the whole point but i think that the i think that like someone asked me today like how do you come up with your questions and i was like i don't i mean i don't know i fucking i just know i don't i mean it's like i don't i just don't know if that's what it's about all the time with with at least with us for other people i know it's different and that's fine wait so when is this going to publish tomorrow Wait, so we have some hot topics to discuss? Pretty much just La Roche. Did you see Zoe's wedding ring? What do you think? Engagement ring? You think that's real? Zoe who? Kravitz. Again? She's got a big old rock on from Harold. A new one? Harry Styles. Big old boy. Stop. Jason's saying she's too weak to hold it up. Let's see. Let me look it up real quick. This is what, her third ring? Actually, I'm not mad at a girl who's getting rings. Like that J-Lo effect. What do you do with an engagement ring? It just sits there. No, you don't. You collect them. You collect them. Okay, you collect them and what? Wait for a guy to come rob your house? I'm typing into Google and they don't know which man I'm talking about. They're like, Channing? Are you talking about the other guy? You gotta go on Twitter, girl. Don't talk about Channing like that. Oh, I had to get off Twitter, Jason. That felt like 4chan to me after a while. I used to love Twitter and I had to get off. 4chan is a dark place, but it's also where everything starts, just like Twitter.

I know. What happened? Was there a particular incident? Or was it just like, this is too much for me? No, you know what it is? I wouldn't even say it's specific to Twitter. I'm kind of like, and this is such an unoriginal statement. I'm over the social media. And that doesn't mean I'm getting off because we have to be on. I just, it's more of that. Like, I'm like, I don't enjoy this in the way that I used to. And I think I'm like contending with that. And so in some ways, it's what makes Patreon nice, because that's where I can like kind of hide away. If I don't want to be on social for two weeks straight, three weeks straight, I can still go talk to my audience. But there's something about like, go with me on this. I don't know. This is a half-baked thought. So if there's people out there who are ready to critique, just save it, save it, save it, save it. Wait, wait, wait. Okay. There's something about the... amount of general users who have now joined the internet that make it not fun for me when i got on the internet like you know those first times like in middle school and stuff like that and you're on myspace and high school and facebook and whatever and myspace is a little later for us but sure yeah yeah middle school okay shorty said general users what what do you mean by that exactly i mean like npcs yeah like it used to be so much more niche and like message boards and you kind of had to be like a dork to want to be online like you know it was kind of like nerd culture and creatives kind of adopted it first and people who had really niche interests then over the last i don't know like 20 years the general average person walking the planet has gotten online and that makes it and then they got a comment button and that just makes it not fun to me because it's just too much dumb i think this is i think this is a fair i mean i think that it's also the I think the politics of it all has really turned it up 100%. And the algorithms, yeah. Yeah, I think that. But I think you're right. I think the heyday of the internet was definitely about subcultures and niches and finding your people. And it wasn't sort of a...

point finger pointing community and like uh it wasn't always about that it was about something else yeah so now i don't find it like enjoyable as much or i feel like i can't throw caution to the wind and just be myself online like in those early days of how i used it it was so maybe because i was younger too but it was just like i just remember feeling like it was so freeing and so fun yeah definitely it was now it was just like so policed and so whack and a bunch of corn balls we're like well actually it's like shut the fuck up yeah but this happens to every Every platform in the history of the world, and also it happens to everyone, as you get older, you're like, the young people are policing everything I'm saying. They can't take a joke. You have to adapt or die, which I guess is what Patreon is. Exactly. Can we talk about Devil Wears Prada, which premiered last night, world premiered in New York City at Geffen Hall, Lincoln Center? You can tell to us about it if you break us off a little bit of that fee you got. Yeah, you can give it. Go ahead. Venmo me five bands, and we can talk about all you want. Well, yes or no. Yes. Damn. I would love to hear about it. Well, also, first of all, you and Nikki were the only two people I saw that got paid to post about it, the magazine. So congratulations on that. Nikki, oh, yeah, yeah, of course. What do you mean? This is a hustle. Yeah, yeah. No, I'm just saying that the Devil Wears Prada family has good taste. That's all I'm saying. They actually do. They actually do. I'm glad they didn't go after some dorks. They could have done Jake Shane, right? Well, you know, because it's Disney, it's 20th century, so it's super corporate. So you kind of wonder, like, do they know who is? Yeah. shade you know a voice or who's kind of like has that relevance or cultural whatever whatever and i thought they like did a great job i thought the activations were cool it was super like again still corporate very like money lots of sponsors but i don't know as someone who's like here on behalf of the fashion community on your pod um i remember vividly when this movie came out so it is kind of like nerd level but like

20 years later, first of all, those 20 years went by so quickly, but also two, it's like such a quintessential film that captured an industry, one at a time that will never exist again, the way that they captured it back in 2005. And also two, like, you know, there's those kind of like cult films that capture an industry like Glengarry Glen Ross or like, I don't know, like Wall Street with Michael Douglas. Like you have those- Hold on, Holly, you're comparing Devil Wears Prada to Wall Street? Cocaine's for closers. I am because it's an industry focused film. Don't let these letterbox nerds come. Oh, they're going to hear this. You're fucked now. Valentino's for closers. I hope they don't find me. But no, it was a great, it was great. And then the way that they did this sequel. was listen it's like a fun you know borderline family film like it's not a deep film but the way that they talk about like the things that we see happening every day essentially the magazine is like under siege because there's digital the world of digital has taken them under print is not making any money they're beholden into their advertisers so the relationship of like miranda priestly as this kind of like omnipresent omnipowerful being has been cut down a few blocks because she's now beholden to the advertisers to keep the to keep the lights on Who are some of the advertisers that are in the movie? Are they fictional brands or is it real? Do they speak directly? Oh, no. They made a magazine that's part of their promotion. This is a real magazine. Runway Magazine. Is that the September issue of Runway Magazine? Yeah. They made a real magazine and they have real advertisers in here. They have this phenomenal Coke ad. So the advertisers were Coca-Cola, Dior. You see Dior is on the first page. Okay. All right. Fair enough. That has to do with like the plot because in the movie, Emily, who was kind of like the antagonist to Anne Hathaway's character in the first one, she now works at Dior. So she's the HBIC at Dior. Oh, she moved on. Yeah. So they have to bend the knee. They have to kowtow to her because she's the advertiser that keeps their lights on. So she's like, bitch. That is a realistic plot line, honestly. It is real. So you kind of see Andy or Anne Hathaway has left the magazine. She's back after all these years and she feels like she's in the upside down. She's like.

it miranda's bending down to this bitch what the fuck is going because how is how does xan how does xan look in the movie though she look good right They all look great. Yeah, yeah. They've all taken really good care of themselves over the last 20 years. And I just, I don't know. For those, anybody, I don't know if your audience gives a fuck about this. Yeah, all these people. Everybody's going to go see this movie, whether it's good or bad. No one cares. It's like a nostalgia. It's so good. It's so great. So what did you wear to the premiere? Did you meet anyone? Did anybody come up to you? Oh, yeah. Everybody was there. Everybody and their mom was there, and it was so fun. I was pretty chill. I was almost not going to go, which is blasphemous. But I was almost not going to go because I was just thinking, like, glam red carpet. And I was like, oh, I don't have time. I didn't get ready. ready in that way i didn't prepare and then i like came out of it stopped overthinking it and i was like this is not about the carpet this is about you going to see a movie that you've loved for 20 years have watched on repeat a million times like put on a matching set and get out the door that part you put on you put on the totem matching set and walked out the door i put on uh this actually this is the name of kwame who i love he's from ghana based in la but no i wore like a kind of oversized like pantsuit situation it was fab and it was very chill and relaxed and i'm really glad i didn't do it up because like sometimes you'll walk up door and you'll be at the actual function you're like damn thank god i didn't wear heels tonight because i'm so not in the mood that's why i always dress down baby jeans are appropriate for every situation yeah so it's one of those but everybody was there everybody was there i know that's so subjective but like fashion people what was was um devil wars product 2 better or worse than sex in the city 2 Damn, that's a good question. If you have to think about it, then that's bad, because Sex and the City 2 is sort of known as one of the worst films ever created. I have a soft spot for it. What happened in the second one? I don't remember what happened in the second one. That's where the girls travel to Abu Dhabi for a luxurious vacation. This is better, this is better, this is better, this is better.

I was thinking of Sex and the City, the movie, the first one. No, this is better. Okay, okay. But it's really fun. Sex and the City 2 gets a bad rap. I think it's pretty funny. I think people take it too seriously. It's also very visually appealing. I love the Middle East, personally. I haven't been offered any money by those guys, but I would take it if they offered it, just to be clear. Yeah, same. I know you're down for some dirty money. I know you're down. impression give me an example i just know that you're a real one and you're willing you know you told us about dubai chocolate in like 2016 like you were very early on that these are lies um i i like to consider myself pragmatic you know same how often do you go back to africa do you go back dang i haven't been back in a second but growing up i went all the time the last time i went was during the pandemic so i'd say like 2021 late 2020 i had a friend i was with a friend last night at this dinner in milan and she goes every year and she was telling me how i need to go and that i would really like it and that it's turned up well i just want to i just i just will depends on what It's a continent, so it depends on- No, no. I know. I know. I know. I know that it's- Just letting you know. Thank you. These white men, I get shook about these white men. I don't know what they know. Well, I know that it's a continent. Damn, relax. I know that there's seven continents. Chris has been to Lamu. Okay, go easy on him. Oh, okay. So that's Kenya. I have not been to Kenya. We're talking about Lagos. We're talking about Lagos. Okay, so Lagos. So I'm from Kenya, and so that- I only say this because people have asked me this a lot growing up, like, oh, Africa, Africa, and I kind of feel ignorant in a lot of ways because I only know the- country where my parents are from i really don't know about these other 50 some other countries that are there so all i know is like this one little east african country on the coast and i love it it's beautiful and lamu nairobi all these places are stunning but sometimes when i meet other africans or whatever and they're from ghana they're from lagos they're from senegal i'm as ignorant as the next person because i'm like i don't know their food their language their customs so i also want to explore the continent i feel very much like small town kid when it comes to that continent it's like when i take jason down to the south you know he's discovering things that he

just didn't grow up with you know it's new even though canada is so close i don't know what they're up to it's totally different it's totally different but tell me tell me about dating african men though because you said you're you're loyal to the soil so what's the what's the what's the what is the what are the nuances you like a little coffee in your coffee because you said Are we going there? Are we really going there? Well, you said you did not fuck with white boys, so I just wanted to be clear. I never said that. Did I say that? You also said he has to be an athlete, too, which is weird. Hold on. Pause. Okay, audience. Audience, I know you guys don't know me. You have no loyalty to me. That's not true. That's not true. They don't know me. They don't know me. We have a lot of crossover. Okay, so audience, some of you may know me, but listen, I just want to say. We're fashion's only fashion show. It's just us and Lauren Sherman and you. Chris and Jason are referring to a car ride we took from in Paris. I needed a ride. They were right about that. We were in the outskirts of Paris. We needed to get back to the city center. And in this car ride, I thought we were in a cone of silence. I'm finding out right now in real time that was not a cone of silence, that everything was fair game. All right. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Quince. Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter, more breathable. And they're just easy, but still put together. I don't want to look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. They focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons. Well-made basics, but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated. but still effortless. Yeah, Chris, linen season is here. I wore a linen blazer to dinner a few nights ago in the warm California sun. But, you know, you got that Italy trip coming up this summer and quality European linen pants and shirts. Upgrade that look starting at just $34. You know, if you get a nice linen suit, a little t-shirt underneath it, some chill shoes, you're looking good, but you're staying cool. The inside of your special areas are nice and dry as you turn up with your besties. So elevate that summer wardrobe. Go to quince.com slash how long for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns, even on a nice holiday now available in Canada.

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create some distinctions so it's just like tricky sometimes when people are like where are you from i can usually tell by who's asking it kind of what they mean like if it's like an old african uber driver and he's like oh where are you from i'll be like oh he means like where are my parents from by for real for real where are you he means where in kenya like which town in kenya are you from yeah yeah yeah or like maybe what country but if like A Brentwood white mom is like, where are you from? I'm like, bitch, what do you mean? What the fuck do you mean? I'm from here. Because you grew up in a lot of bad places in America. Bad meaning fly over. That's mean, but yeah. Yeah, I grew up in straight up middle America. Straight up. And I kind of like, now I think I'm more grateful for it, which is crazy to say. Because... it's a psychology of a person that I understand. And we don't get a lot of those people being here on the coast and, you know, the coastal elite as they call it, New York, LA, Miami, whatever, London, Paris, all these places we hang out. But I know these people like to their bones. This is how I feel about the South. I agree. I think it's like a totally, I think it's like real people. Real people. Yeah, but she's from a real flyover state and you're grateful every time you fly over that old state, right? Multiple. Well, I'll say this. Okay, let me back up. For those who are listening. I'm talking about Ohio like that. We get it out the mud. I was born in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Great American city. Classic American city. I thought it was nowhere Oklahoma, but go on. Yeah, nowhere is right outside of Tulsa. Honestly, that's amazing. That feels like a Dennis Hopper movie. That's unbelievable. Doesn't it? It's crazy. It's very Paris, Texas. Then I moved to Wichita, Kansas. Then I moved to Dodge City, Kansas. Then I moved to Lansing, Michigan. And then I moved to what I usually claim, which is Champaign, Illinois, because I moved there for high school. So you still haven't even seen a mountain yet? No, Flatlands, the Plains. I'm from the Plains. But why do you think your parents were – why were they – what was the reasoning for these cities? Because it is a certain thing. Obviously, they're all in the same general area. Great schools. I don't know. I really don't know. I've asked my dad that. I swear to God, they spun a globe and threw a pin down. I don't think that they were – I don't know.

i mean i know my dad was going to school it was also crazy like having immigrant parents too because it's like they pulled up to this joint having never been here having not really knowing the language that well like it's crazy because could any of us do that if we had to leave our country today i don't know these people were a different breed hell no hell no we are built different we are but ask anyone why they moved to oklahoma they're not going to have an answer whether or not they're coming from africa or like chicago they're like honestly i don't know bro i don't know i got some land it was a good deal Yeah, I don't know why they were there, but my dad, like, growing up, he did have this, like, I think it's a generational thing, people at this time, but he did love, like, the idea of a cowboy and John Wayne movies and country music. I think for him as an African, that was kind of, like, what was the American dream. So I remember him thinking that was, like, the coolest thing ever, and there being a lot of old westerns in our house and him watching that kind of stuff, and he had cowboy boots and, like, had a pipe and all this shit. I was about to ask, did your dad get his little swag on? Do you have the boots on and the jeans and the whole thing? Yeah, in, like, the 90s, I remember, like, you look old photos. That's kind of fly. It's like jeans tucked in tail with cowboy boot and an African accent and a cowboy hat. That's fly. Who's on his mood board nowadays? I don't know. Yeah, what's the look now? His moods were always like, he always liked a dapper. It was always like a Sidney Poitier type guy. Yeah, it was always, that was like his icon. That was his like Brad Pitt, I think. I'm Kenyan Brad Pitt. That's great. That'll work on anyone. Yeah. That'll definitely work in Tulsa. What did he do for a living? he was a doctor what kind of doctor yeah emergency room trauma okay so he so you're saying he moved and then started as an adult like schooling basically for that no no his dad was a doctor so it was in the blood but uh no he came here so this is funny my dad was actually like studying english then he had these three kids and he said hold on

I gotta make, I gotta make this money. Cause like, what the fuck? And then he decided to become a doctor. So he's decided, I think I might get these numbers wrong. Dad, if you listen to this, don't come at me. But I think he like started at like. 33 34 from scratch scratch bro what yeah and then he finished in his 40s and then practiced for 30 years that's actually crazy yeah and we didn't want for anything you know put me through school bought me a car the whole thing and so when he talks to us he'll always say to us like if you're ever unhappy with your career you want to change things he's always like you're so much younger than you think you are so much younger than you think you are like this life is longer than you think so like You know, at times when, like, you know, my sister had, like, a change in career path. And he used to always tell, like, go back to school. Like, go back to school. Like, you have time. You have time. Because he didn't really get a hold of his situation until he was, like, in his mid-30s. And I remember him, like, being in residency when I was, like, younger. And then getting done with that. And then getting a job. But he practiced for a full 30 years of his life. Yeah, that's a whole ass career. And you're sort of following in your father's footsteps, in his scrubs. you in that same a you know early mid 30s we pivot to you know he became a doctor you got on patreon it's the same kind of vibe you know similar exactly i'm gonna start my new life as a creator exactly i do i do kind of have that idealistic belief of like it's never too late and i maybe it's because i got it from him but it's like it's never If you want to switch up, you want to do something different, don't sit in misery. Get up. Piss or get off the pot. Change your life if you're not happy. I do believe that. Unfortunately, all the things that I want to change my life to do are physical. That, unfortunately, the body keeps the score. You know what I'm saying?

But it's never too late. You never know. It's never too late to stop being so fat, Chris. Do you think I could be a chiropractor? Real talk. Do you think I could do it? Do you think I could go through the schooling and you think I could do? What? Hell yeah. Her father who went through seven years of medical school. Do you think I could pass the seven days of chiropractic school? No, chiropractor is like two or three years. Hell yeah. Hell yeah, you could. Hell yeah. That's easy. That's light work. That's a quick sentence. I hate to call your dad and get a pep talk. Every day, I'm like, you know, I see all those memes. Men used to go to war. We need plumbers and shit. I'm like, that's real. We really do. Yeah, but you know what's also a trip, though? I don't know if anybody's ready for this. You know how there's this movement about de-centering men? I see a lot of the girlies on here that even in their... pursuit of decentering men they're still just talking about men all the time like men used to go to war men do don't you hate how men do this it's like i thought you bitches were decentering these people what is going on well we rock we rock it's hard it's hard i mean you know how it is keep our gender out your mouth if you don't want us to be so centered is what you're saying i just feel like there's a yin and a yang to the same thing there's like the girls who are obsessed with the guys and then there's the girls who think they don't fuck with the guys but they're still talking about them all the time and it's like i don't know and i love Let me shut up. Let me just stop right there. No, no. This is in the words of Mariah Carey. Why are you so obsessed with me? You know what I mean? It kind of gives that. It kind of gives that. I'm like, I just don't think about... men like that on a genuine daily basis like at all really so i don't understand the fixation one way or the other well i think the fixation it's like it's in our dna you know despite you know the the de-centering of men we ain't shit you know we just you know scratch our nuts and play video games all day while you women go to your jobs and pilates and stuff like that

But also on a DNA level, you need us for reproduction, so we're still on your minds. You know what I mean? Like that toxic... Somebody's got to pay rent, too. Don't forget about that. Exactly. You think that Spectrum Wi-Fi is free, huh? That Volvo, that ain't cheap. That's $800 a month. Chris, if you're serious about being a chiropractor, I just want to circle the block real quick and say you should. It's cool. It's a passion that's developed from Reels. But I do think it's a I think because I think there's a lot of personal trainers, you know, but I think that my body always hurts. And the idea of being able to fix people's bodies that hurt and make it fun. I mean, what more can you do? You come to Chris's chiropractor. You come to my chiropractor studio. We're listening to good shit. Like music is good. Yeah. Furniture is good. The cracks still hit the same, but it's a better environment. It smells better. We haven't even got to the water program yet. Yeah. The water's $20 a cup. You got a baddie working the front desk. This ain't your mama's little chiropractor studio. It's never too late. It's never too late. It's never too late. Honestly, that's a very inspiring story. That's crazy. Well, on the subject or. That same energy of pivoting to another career, it's never too late, blah, blah, blah. What if that career that you're pivoting to, your true calling, your true love is a financial step down? That's tough. How does that change things for you? That's a really good question. How much do you love the game of what you want to pursue late in life? Easy for your dad. I guess I'll just be a doctor, high-paying job typically. going from a creative director to a chiropractor could definitely be a financial step down, especially in the early. Not the way I do it, big bro. Not the way I do it. No, but I mean, there's sacrifice. Like I think everything has to do with your relationship to sacrifice. And I mean, seriously, I know this is like a lighthearted podcast and not to get all deep, but for a second.

It's important because I think a lot of times we talk about how we want stuff, but we don't want that thing that comes with it to get it. Sacrifice is inevitable if you want anything. My dad had a lot of sacrifices. He was a janitor by night in a country where he didn't know anybody. My mom and him split up during that time. My mom was a stay-at-home mom with these three kids. I was an accident. I came way after my older siblings. She had a lot of addiction issues. My dad raised us, so it was just him by himself with three girls because they split up. She gave her rights away as a mother, so my dad had full rights. rights of these three girls by himself in this country he doesn't know anybody not hashtag girl dad no he's a girl dad on steroids like for and then on top of all that he's like you know what i'll throw in the mix seven years of medical school i'm over here like damn i need a dog sitter for coachella i mean but no but he was but he was expecting her to But he was expecting her to hold down the floor. He's like, hold on, let me go get this degree real quick. And then she was spinning out. It was a very revolutionary road. She was crashing out. And so he was like, all right, well, these kids aren't safe, so let me go get them. And now I still have to go to work while I got these three kids. So it's like, it's not easy. And you have responsibilities as a man, as a parent, as a whoever. So I don't know. I feel like... I feel like the Obamas need to license this movie. This is a great story right here. I've always thought... Who's going to play your dad in the film? Will Smith? No, ew, no. I mean, sorry, not ew. What about, I mean, Denzel's getting a little old. I want to say Denzel. I want to say Denzel because in spirit, but it's got to be somebody darker skinned. Okay. So I don't know. Jonathan Majors. That's fine. We can bring him back. Oh, hell no. I don't know. Come back to me on that. Maybe like a darker skin Savion Glover would be an ideal candidate perhaps. It would be Sidney Poitier. Poitier. Yeah. RIP to the goat. Is your mom better? Does your mom figure it out or not? No, my mom passed away last year, which is sad, but we didn't have a relationship. So I kind of heard about her passing through the grapevine. Oh, wow. It was like that. Like you heard about it from other people. It was like that. How did your dad take it?

I mean, I don't know. He's not a man of many emotions, but he texted me and said, RIP to your mom. And I was like, RIP. It was just kind of a weird WhatsApp. Like, we were just, you know, I don't know her. At that point, I had spent, you know, I grew up on my own. Not on my own, but you know what I mean? I took, it was handled. It was handled. So when there were, like, moments where she was trying to reconnect, I chose not to. I was like, I don't really need this relationship. I feel like I'm good and, like, I wish you well. But, like, I'm not trying to, like, rekindle. Especially. at that age if you're like 15 or whatever you're just like what the is this yeah i was i was straight and i i really did feel like full and you know fulfilled in that way so i wasn't trying to shout out to your dad for making all that happen yeah so i mean yeah there's a lot of sacrifice that comes with that i'm super grateful and like i said we didn't want for anything he held it down and went to good schools and had summer camps and all the things so i mean sure he did what he had to do do you do you feel um do you feel a pressure to succeed Based on what your dad has gone through? Have you met an African? Yes, I do. I absolutely do. Jason's like, actually, no, this is my first one. So nice to meet you. Love y'all. Love what y'all do over there. No, no, no. That's a non-negotiable. That's a non-negotiable. That's like, yeah. My dad's logic was. I'll handle all this other stuff. The way you pay rent in this house is you have to get good grades. That was not even a conversation. You're going to be successful at some point. The only thing you did to piss your dad, he had to cancel his subscription to the Man Repeller, but otherwise he's on board with your whole shit. he went to pay he was pissed and i went to art school he showed up at my art school graduation he's like you need to graduate from something that requires some brains like what are we doing all this for art yeah he was not he was not amused by an art by okay i guess maybe a a better question would be did you like did he have to remind you all the time hold it over your head have lectures to you like i came to this country with nothing i worked my way up or was that just it was an unspoken thing that we all knew that we had to like kill it

you know just out of respect for what my parents went through you know i definitely got a fair share of lectures did he hold it over your head i should say Well, this is about to get deep. Yo, hashtag immigrant parents. You want to open the book? A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. No, I mean, I'm the youngest. So, like, there's a lot of stuff that my sisters got that you just catch by osmosis. They got lectured a lot. They're the oldest. They're the first ones out the womb. So, like, everything that I heard when my older sister was getting a three-hour lecture in the other room for, you know, coming home late after curfew and I'm 10, I don't need that lecture. I got it. You're on the Tamagotchi being like, all right, bet. I'm good. like you know what i mean so you kind of learn what not to do by just watching all right so i mean i don't want to put you on the spot and no shade to your sisters but who's the most successful youngest in charge youngest are you the youngest are you the youngest in charge i am but purely from trauma for sure okay but at what cost yeah Listen, I'm sparing you all the gory details, but I come from a very broken family. I'm not close with my sisters. My audience knows that. My dad and I have a strained relationship at the moment, which I really hope to heal soon. My mother, who I didn't really grow up with or know that well, other than through stories of people who did know her, namely his sisters, who remember her from being young women in Nairobi. I kind of have a strained relationship with my sisters. It's not like a perfect story by any means. Patreon will do that to a family. You know, I don't know. When I think about more now, it's just like how grateful I am to my dad. You know, when you become older, you're like, damn, okay, I appreciate it. It's just more appreciation now for everything that he did. Well, I think that level of appreciation will lead you guys back to each other probably. You know what I mean? Because that's just like maturity. Unless he's just a dick now. You know what I mean? Because sometimes when you get older, that happens. I mean, he's grumpy.

for sure but i think he's also just in a lot of pain and things that he hasn't really processed he's from a different generation he's a man of pride yeah he's not he doesn't really have a woman to like kind of quell his uh outbursts and things like that so like you know i feel for him i thought women i thought women created the outburst you're saying they can help when you do i don't know he didn't have a counterpart to who he was you know what i mean so like i i feel for him i used to judge him a lot more and now i'm kind of like damn i didn't live through that and honestly there wasn't a thing i asked for that i didn't get so who am i to judge like he held it down he did what back in his day was what a man was supposed to do and a lot of other things were lacking but in his mind he's like i paid the bills you're in private school i bought you a car you have this and now and now men have to hashtag paul smith pink wall on their stories to get paid He's like, now you want to know about my emotions? He's like, I live too much for this, big dog. I'm going to keep this shit bottled up. You give these bitches an inch, they'll take a mile. You know, he's from a different time, but we love him. Shout out to Papa Omandi. Shout out. Where does he live now? What's his at? I think he's a Rolling Stone. He's retired, so he's between like... you know kenya and he has a place here and he can bopping around yeah yeah he's abiza this week opening week okay let's let's switch it up uh get a little lighter in here um you worked at barney's back in the day my wife also did did you ever steal hell yeah 60th Madison, men's third. That was a moment. Did I ever steal from Barneys? No, never. Why would I do that? I believe her. I believe her. I was just sitting right there. You sort of give narc in a lot of ways. Oh, yeah. Did you ever tell on those who were stealing? You would tell on somebody that you saw stealing. You would definitely be like, yo, that guy put a fucking shirt in his bag. He put a band of outsiders butt down.

in his tote he didn't pay i don't think i would i don't think what i didn't steal but i don't i don't think i saw anybody steal it wasn't that kind of program back then okay what about uh what about like the partying social aspect of you and all your co-workers on the floor you know that was the heyday wherever you know maybe do a little Do a little pill, have a little sun, smoke a little sun on the lunch. No, I didn't have that kind of relationships with my coworkers. Cause back then head in the dressing room, nothing. No, back then the people that worked there were like career retail associates. They like had families and like they'd been there for 10 years. I make one 80 a year. You can make bread selling shoes to women. Yeah. People made a lot of money. I was like a young man selling shoes to women at a department store. That could have been my life. I made a couple of different decisions. I probably, I'd be gay and I would have 200 a year and I'd live in it. and that would be just fine. Like, I believe that. The Kia would be clean and detailed every weekend. I believe that. Every time I walk into Bergdorf, there's 20 guys in there waiting to pounce. You know what I mean? You see, women's shoe section at department stores are one of the most special. It's unbelievable what's going on in there. It is. The amount of money being made, it's the only department that's busy. It's the only one that's ever busy. Except now, like, perfume and cologne is very busy. But really, the shoes is where it goes down. Yeah, Bergdorf's is the only real. shoe salon we have left to be honest and it really breaks my heart because i'm a firm believer in like the shoe salon and that whole experience and yeah it is a dying it's a dying art it's a dying third space and the men used to run that joint they really did no i'm joking it's mostly straight guys honestly yeah who loves feet more than a straight guy right that's a good point he'll he'll do it for free how often are you paying retail you like you don't mind paying retail do you christmas shoes for whatever anything Yeah. Because you're not afraid to cop. I see the Cartier. I see the diamonds. Listen, it depends. We see it. We see it. I know. Every once in a while. Every once in a while. Unless that's one of your engagement rings that you're collecting. You know that we do. I know. We say, I know you see it. We sing that all the time on this show. That's very funny. We do that all the time. That's really funny. Is that jock?

yeah um every once in a while every once in a while i don't all the time it depends it depends it depends if there's something that like came out that season that's like a must-have like i definitely was part of the chanel crew i bought what i needed to buy you're part of the problem you're part of the problem what did we get chanel i bought what i needed to buy yeah you know but not all the time like you killed two guys in vietnam didn't know how to do out there had to get the blazer as well as the flat what did you yeah what did you cop what did we just two pairs of shoes two pairs of shoes no bag oh No bag. I think the bags look cheap. Fair enough. All right. Fair enough. I don't like the bags. But I did buy, I bought two pairs and it was, it was chaotic. I'm sure y'all heard about it. It was definitely. You were in, you were in Paris. Yeah. Okay. Okay. If it's something like that, where it's like, you see it off the runway and you're like, when that hits stores, I'm buying. Yes. But most of the time, no, I'm a fairly big sales person, like sales rack girl. I don't, listen, I've been in the game too long to really be paying things full price. Like I know how to finesse the game. So for me, it almost feels silly to buy things full price. I have to really love it and really be. like abandoning my reason and be like fuck it I just want this thing you know what I understand that but sometimes there's something I mean it's very hard these days because everybody's an idiot but walking into a store and being like you know what I like that shirt I'm just gonna buy the ease of that is so powerful like I was talking to someone last night at dinner she was like I tried to go to the Mew Mew store to get a shirt I wanted and there were three people in the store and they made me wait outside and this is like an adult woman that clearly is going to buy something you know what I mean this isn't like this is a woman who who's got bread. She looks good. You know she's copping. And she was like, I just, I was like stunned. And the girl was like, sorry, that's the rules. And it's like, but that's not logical. Sorry, there's an old Chinese guy who's going to FaceTime his friend and he's going to buy 11 bags. So you're going to wait outside later. I just don't, the idea of being able to walk into a store and buy what you want is so novel at this point that it's almost worth the money to me.

versus trying to figure out how to get it for less you like a you like a transaction where finances are the only things being transacted yeah not favors or whatever you know no i get that that's why i said sometimes i'll just be like swipe it i don't care like i just want to get it but i don't do that like that's not my regular lifestyle like i'm not you know what i mean i do still love a deal and i and also because when it comes to like luxury and all this stuff the quality is going down and the prices are getting higher and i also used to work in product development like i'm a designer before i'm a podcaster so you can't Fool me. Do you know what I mean? It's like and that's that's also what makes it hard to shop because it's like I kind of know too much You know what I mean? Well, you're like damn. Why is this have a hanging facing? Why is there like a baby hem on this? Like what what is a Zara? But it'll be like Celine or something. You know what I mean? So it's hard for me to spend it not because I don't like even if I had it even when I have it It's hard to spend it because like I know y'all are getting over on me and I'm pissed. Mm-hmm and and and they get over like 99 of the people it doesn't matter they don't care that the stitching on this row shirt is suboptimal i don't give a fuck i don't even know what that is they don't know they don't care the only thing that you can do is just buy vintage when it was made to the the standards of craftsmanship that you Yeah. Require. I will say the row does still have, like, great leather. Their quality of leather is still excellent. Like, there are some people who are still kind of holding on to their standards. But for, like, Mew Mew, Mew Mew to me is merch. I'm sorry. Like, that feels like a merch brand. No, it is. You know what I mean? It's like, I'm not buying that. I'm not wearing a Henley that says Mew Mew on the left hand. Like, no, I'm not doing that for $7.95, $12.00. No, sorry. Look, I love to wear vintage. We went to an unnamed vintage store in the Dimes Square region of Manhattan with Alex and I.

The woman working there was very hot, very cool, so hungover and annoyed to the point where it was really funny. And I was like, see, this is what it's all about. I want a mean, stoned, hungover chick to not even look up from her phone. I'd rather that than someone following me around with an iPad because they think I'm going to steal something. Both ways are bad, but one I prefer much more. But what about friendly? Friendly is tough because sometimes they want to talk. When I go into a Buck Mason store, I don't want the guy to be like, which is your favorite Buck Mason store? Bro, I'm just trying to see how much this t-shirt costs to compare it to how much mine costs. Leave me alone. I'm just looking. As a person who worked retail, maybe my favorite job, I think there is a fine line to be like, cool and not all over you. But that to me is a classic sort of, that's a very men's skate shop street. where like supreme went too far but the middle ground definitely exists now in a way where you can say what's up and be cool and not be standoffish yeah yeah before it'd be like what are you doing in here are you gonna actually buy something are you just a looky loo and now it's like what are you doing in here? Why are you inside of a brick and mortar store? What are you after? Because it's so rare to have people just walk into a store and look at stuff. Try to go to CVS and get paper towels. You can't do that. It's crazy. It's like when people knock on your door when you're a kid and you just go and open the door and now somebody knocks on your door and you're like... oh my god what is it what happened yeah like everyone is just afraid of every entering where's my gun etc i know it's an art the retail thing is an art and i miss retail so much like i don't like shopping online it makes me sad it doesn't feel like i want to know what i don't know if i'm a six or four or an eight because i don't know how your brand is going to size it can i try it on somewhere damn like i can't try it on anywhere you're just guessing and then if i do want to guess i have to buy two and

front that cost to have it shipped and then I have to pay the shipping of the duties and so I'm basically paying to try stuff on. I like that flex. You got to pay the duties. She ain't getting that. You know what I'm saying? She ain't getting it. I got to buy an extra small, a small and a medium and see what, because, you know, from garment to garment, it varies wildly even in the same brand. Open the stores. Open the schools. Open the stores. I mean, I want to just come try it on. But from a business standpoint, I would be like, yeah, you can order three of the shirts and figure it out because I'm saving $18 million a week by not having brick and mortar. I know, but it's just painful. And there's new brands I want to try all the time. And it's just Russian roulette. No idea what I'm going to get. I mean, I don't think that that, I've never sent anything back in my life. Like I can't do it. Like it either fits well enough to wear or I'm going to give it to somebody. This is a male perspective. Wow. No, other people, we've had other people on the podcast say that as well. Just like, when's the last time you returned something and people are like, I don't know, like seven years. So I just, it doesn't fit. I just give it away. sell it, exchange it, put it in the garbage, whatever. Well, because they're buying Banana Republic. They're not spending how I'm spending. If you were spending what I was spending, you would need it back. And I'm not trying to make it seem like I'm balling out. I'm not balling out like that. Look, Bananas had a great year. Don't come for them like that. Okay, today I bought a Drees skirt, right? Yeah. The Colt 100 party is next week, and I wanted to have this fab skirt, so I bought this Drees fan note and skirt. And I don't know. I think I know what size I am in Drees, but I don't know. Whatever. It's going to be here in a couple days. This bitch is $1,000. If it doesn't fit, it's going back. No, of course. I'm not stupid. I'm just saying that there's a certain... I think it's mostly for me with vintage. If it's an XL and it comes and it doesn't fit me right...

I'm going to give it to my homie who's a little smaller than me. You know what I mean? Because I'm not going to. It's a vintage t-shirt. Whatever. It's not. Okay. Okay. We're talking vintage. Yeah. I'm not going to. If I buy. Yeah. I'm not going to. But I'm also not going to order like a $3,000 suit online and try. I'm never going to. I'm not. He knows that he's not going to take the four hours out of his day to sell it and ship it and print the label and get a box and walk it over. I'm often just buying the biggest size they got. is the reality it's often yeah like it's sort of like well if this don't fit nothing is you know what what am i supposed to do yeah okay that makes sense that makes sense but wow not no that well you're but in theory you could take it to the drees store in soho and exchange it or you're buying or you're buying it from a third i'm buying it from dreesvannoten.com and they won't take it at the store Wow. Why didn't you just go to the store? Because I'm busy. You have to return this on Revolve. I know. You can't go to the store. You can't go to Soho on a beautiful Saturday afternoon. Wow. Must be nice. No, but this is actually so funny because it just goes against exactly what I just said. I'm like, I'm going to try it on. And then it's like, bitch, get up off the chair and go to the store. And I'm like, well, no, I'm just browsing online, perusing. So actually that's so controversial. Queen of contradiction. That's a great store. I really like that store. It's really cool. Yeah. And now I'm scared to even say that about that store. out see people are gonna be like this bitch is spending money no that's you i was thinking about my cult 100 outfit as well so i know where you're coming from who knows what i'm gonna wear just know that's who knows god i guess i get scared i get scared about talking about spending money online because i'm not like allowed to i feel like do you get scared about Talking about which parties you get invited to? Because I didn't get invited to the Colt 100 this year. You didn't have to interview Somber for the magazine either, Jason. So you win some, you lose some. But I like what they're doing with Colt. I'm proud of her. I'm proud of what they got going on. I love her. I think she's the coolest. I love talking to her. I think she's so funny. Does this person have a name, you guys? Let's shout them out. Sarah Harrelson, who's the founder and editor chief of...

cultured mag she really figured out something for sure yeah she definitely figured out something so yeah i'm excited to go but no i'm not i'm not scared to talk about uh parties i am scared to talk about spending money i get shook i get a little like timid i i don't think this audience would judge you for spending that money our yeah our podcast is for people who are okay with buying a nice thing with the money that they worked hard podcast is also free so they can't say shit about how we spend our money okay when they're when they're paying your ass they got something to say yeah you're you're a little bit more beholden well okay so that's why taylor swift will never be talking about how much money she's got because she's like i just got to make it seem like i was just a regular chick that's only if you're afraid of what people will say just stop being afraid and the problem goes away like that damn um but i think there's something about like this might be too deep for the few minutes we have left but i feel like there's something about like one i think it's women in general but two i definitely think it's black women where i think they like expect you to be like broke forever. Like they don't want you to transcend any kind of like level. Hold on. Why did your camera just zoom in when you said black woman? That feels like a trick. I don't know. She has that feature on the meta glasses. That was dramatic. I don't know. So I know what you mean. Like we want you to be our person that represents us. But then as soon as you level up and succeed to a point where you have sort of moved up to a new echelon. you've left us behind even if you haven't done anything except work hard and succeed. Exactly. So that's why I still get spooked even saying anything. And I remember one time, and I did it one time, and I'll never make that mistake again, because I remember I did this event and my fans were... I know, the word fan is so weird and kind of gross, but do we have a better word? We call them customers. But I don't like that word either. No, some people call them listeners or viewers. Listeners, patrons. I've talked about it with my audience before where I've been like, you guys, what are we going to call this? Because fans feels like...

patronizing? It feels kind of condescending. I don't really like that. I don't know what I, I think listeners is, or in your case, I guess it's watchers. I usually say audience, but whatever. I was talking to my audience at this live event and they were like, oh, we want to know what you're wearing. We want to know what you're shopping. Like, tell us more about like your personal size, stuff like that. Cause I'd never really made that a part of my content. And I was like, I'm okay. Like, I don't think that's like what I want you guys to focus on. And not even because I'm like splurging. It's just kind of like, I feel like it's distracting. So anyway, one day I'm on TikTok. I love TikTok, but I can't be on there as much anymore to the point I made earlier about hustle, social media. is not as much fun. But as an app, as a platform, I love TikTok. I love the culture of TikTok. I think it's so funny. It's like America's Funniest Home Videos 24-7. So I love it. Anyway, so I was on TikTok and I was like, you know, well, my audience said they wanted to know this about me. So like, yeah, I'll talk about this. I had bought this Loewe bag. It's Loewe Madrid bag. I'd been like eyeing it for a while. I thought it was fab. It was overpriced. It's very overpriced. Actually, Loewe, I want to talk to you. I'll call you later. I think their prices are just perfect. But the bag is $6,000, right? And the only reason why I bought this is because the Steve Madden episode had gone so viral on every platform known to mankind that I had changed. Steve bought the bag. Yeah, Steve bought the bag. Yeah, so I had changed. It wasn't Birkin money, but, you know, we'll get the little $6,000 low ever. Thank you. Thank you. It was kind of like, okay, literally like a TikTok check just showed up in the PayPal account. And it was like, and I don't really. check that you know like that like so i was like oh okay cute i'm gonna go buy myself this bag and okay so you're saying i bought this bitch just clip money that ain't even the patreon money yeah like that was just like extra money so then i buy it and then people are dragging because i made a tiktok about it and i was like because i was complaining to the web i'm like you guys this is this wasn't for what you're spending that's what i mean by luxury going up quality going down i was like for what you guys are spending on this maybe this is me tweeting at a branch maybe this is that this is it but i made a you know video about it and then people are dragging me

for spending the money on the back so then i'm like so this is why i'm not going to tell you guys anything because do you see do you see how the one time and they don't know it's like clip money they don't know it's like tiktok you know change or whatever so they think i'm like oh she's balling out of control she's spending money like this i'm like see this is why so now we can't have anything nice and i'm never going to tell you anything again about what i bought or like have a shot my because i don't want you guys to know and for some reason i feel like i would get it worse than most well maybe maybe one day come on over to the other side go to settings on your patreon page and click cancel account and then come on to this side where but that's the thing it's never the patreon people it's always the audience that are out wide running their fucking mouth it's never you're really your core people and that's that actually that does make that's why i'm like why am i out here in the fucking sewage talking to y'all like when i can just go talk to my computer we're in the sewage three times a week check us out howlonggone.com is the sewage is all i know girl yeah that's we got we get it out the sewage thank you for joining us It was a pleasure. This was so fun. You're the best. This was so fun. Thank you, guys. Cutting room floor available on Patreon only. Only on Patreon. I'll see you next week. Fashion's only fashion show. See you guys. Bye. Bye. In Michigan, you can feel the energy everywhere in the fresh breeze of a riverfront stroll or nightlife that hums with electricity. Let it bring you together in pure Michigan. Find your season at Michigan.org.